The Luger in Finland

1.04.2021
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After the failure of the domestic production Ahlberg pistols and some disappointment with the performance of surplus French Ruby pistols, the Finnish military turned to DWM in Germany for a main service pistol in 1922. The core of the Finnish armed forces had been exposed to the Luger as Jaegers in German military service during World War One, and they knew and liked the Luger design. Bowing to Versailles restrictions in the post-war years, the guns purchased were chambered for 7.65mm Luger, with sub-100mm barrels (specifically, 95mm and 98mm). The first 2,000 were received in 1922, another 2,000 in 1923, and by 1929 the Army had acquired 8,000 (purchases stopped in 1929 with the decision to produce a domestic pistol, which would be the Lahti L-35). The Luger in 7.65mm was designated the m/23 pistol.
In addition to Army purchases, many private individuals bought their own Lugers that would see military service, as did the Civil Guard. In fact, the Luger was a more common service pistol than the L-35 in both the Winter War and the Continuation War. Once the Winter War began, worn-out m/23 pistols were fitted with new 9x19mm barrels made by Sako and Tikkakoski, although the hot Finnish SMG ammunition would cause significant wear and eventually destroy many of the guns. Those that survived both wars would remain in service all the way into the 1980s, when they were finally surplussed.
One of the examples we have today is a gun that was eventually transferred to the Finnish prison administration system, and was marked by them - there was no crest or chamber marking put on the Finnish contract guns by DWM.
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Kommentteja
  • I've got one with a Tikka barrel fitted would have been done when it was converted to 9mm... it has the Army SA stamped on it.

    Tony STony S2 päivää sitten
  • when a finnish pew pew handcannon has more history than some countries

    Atte GröhnAtte Gröhn4 päivää sitten
  • so I walk into a shop and ask why this cool mismatched long barrel Luger was 600 bucks, so the dealer says "actually that's a Finnish Luger, they are supposed to look that way and it's kind of rare!"

    Frank LucasFrank Lucas5 päivää sitten
  • Torille :D

    KeuliKeuli5 päivää sitten
  • Luger p08

    REALL SLAVVREALL SLAVV6 päivää sitten
  • You pronounce Finnish words very well! Greetings from Finland!

    Matt YuntunenMatt Yuntunen6 päivää sitten
  • Great vid as always! We made the submarines in Finland. I guess you could say we bought them. But it was domestic. Just a small point. Love your vids as always.

    SvenSven6 päivää sitten
  • Спасибо за вашу работу, коммент для продвижения видео

    juicyNathanjuicyNathan6 päivää sitten
  • I prefer my Lugers, All American

    showtime2629showtime26296 päivää sitten
  • wow great vid thanks Ian!!!

    Gunge 1775Gunge 17757 päivää sitten
  • Having gone to Finnish military gun sales in around 2005 . Tables covered in hundreds of Lugers. Many of those brought to Canada.

    fieldkitchenfieldkitchen7 päivää sitten
  • A note on the early Finnish officer corps, they were not all trained in Germany. While the jäger troops made up a big part of them, a lot of especially senior officers also came from the tzarist Russian and subsequently white forces of the Russian civil war. Most notably Mannerheim himself. Having two main sources of officers led to some issues with cultural differences, even as late as the winter war.

    Olli RuotsalainenOlli Ruotsalainen7 päivää sitten
  • My service pistol in FDF was F&N High Power. It had been used so much that it was like a rattlesnake. Thanks from the video Ian again. You are almost half-finnish by now 😎🇫🇮

    Gringo StarrGringo Starr7 päivää sitten
  • Nice pistols.

    Shawn RShawn R8 päivää sitten
  • FINN HERE: VANKEINHOITOLAITOS translates, word for word to: VANKEIN (PRISONERS, from the word 'Vanki' meaning prisoner) HOITO (CARE) LAITOS (FACILITY) so it would be PRISONER CARE TAKING FACILITY aka Prison. Just thought someone could be interested :)

    Thomas WeckströmThomas Weckström8 päivää sitten
  • Damnit Ian, I just bought a Finnish Mosin. My wallet doth weep.

    Donovan ShovanDonovan Shovan8 päivää sitten
  • Him, Finnish Brutality, Finninsh Lugers. Perhaps Ian is becoming a Finnophile (Suomiphile?) in addition to being a Francophile.😁

    Max KronaderMax Kronader8 päivää sitten
  • Yeah, yeah, compare it with the swiss parabellum 1929 to see which one is the most accurate at the range.

    Swiss Militis Christi LXXIISwiss Militis Christi LXXII8 päivää sitten
  • IAN I just watched a movie called POWDER RIVER, one person has a knee holster. Is there really such a holster. Thanks 👍🇬🇧

    John StewartJohn Stewart8 päivää sitten
  • Perkele!

    FinnlandFinnland8 päivää sitten
  • Parabellum, not Luger.

    Matti MatkalainenMatti Matkalainen8 päivää sitten
    • Both work

      Alex MooreAlex Moore7 päivää sitten
  • The front post is probably from Lahti pistol. Common modification here in Finland.

    P NP N9 päivää sitten
  • Me: *Hears Jaegers "Oh no"

    Kuru KuruKuru Kuru9 päivää sitten
    • Tatakae!

      The weeb nobody cares aboutThe weeb nobody cares about5 päivää sitten
  • Ian's got drip.

    Seemore ButtsSeemore Butts9 päivää sitten
  • I read the title of this as 'Fiendish' Lugers and got oddly excited and a bit confused.

    Captain Small Menacing Land SharkCaptain Small Menacing Land Shark9 päivää sitten
  • The Swedish make Husqvarna, did also make one just like it. :-)

    SallingMsaSallingMsa9 päivää sitten
  • Love it Ian, absolutely fascinating!! Thanks for sharing...

    Keith AllardiceKeith Allardice9 päivää sitten
  • Go Finland!

    Niinsa62Niinsa629 päivää sitten
  • Tuohon vielä jatkoperä lakattu jalopuinen.

    tasamaantallaajatasamaantallaaja9 päivää sitten
  • If you wish to bid one one of these fine pistols count on being a rock and roll star or mahara or your not going to get it.

    John ZeszutJohn Zeszut9 päivää sitten
  • If (and it's a BIG IF, given the lack of rules and standards, as Ian described 🤣) the Finns follow traditional nation process with military goods, it would be likely the prison system gun would have LOTS of history...goods are usually surplussed routinely based on condition and offered up to other government agencies first, then lesser government second, etc before being disposed of out of the government entirely...so it's conceivable that the prison gun saw both wars and was judged to be no longer useful to the military and offered up on the Civil government side and the prison system grabbed them up.

    Hank TorranceHank Torrance10 päivää sitten
  • Rules can be bend or break, laws doesn't :)

    Mine AverMine Aver10 päivää sitten
  • Let me just say It finishes the job.

    SWEET, MAY I EAT IT?SWEET, MAY I EAT IT?10 päivää sitten
  • A few of the long-barreled Finish Lugars came into Canada in 2005. One of the few factory Military Issue Luger Canadians can own, with the longer barrel.

    forty4forty1forty4forty110 päivää sitten
  • Is the Japanese funding the Winter War on the Finnish side to root out Communism?

    who doctorwho doctor10 päivää sitten
  • The jaegers from snk

    Tchitchouan InouaneTchitchouan Inouane10 päivää sitten
  • God I want a luger.

    Aidan O'CallaghanAidan O'Callaghan10 päivää sitten
  • My Finnish Luger is my favorite. It was a commercial Luger so better sights and I love bottleneck pistol rounds so I like the 30Luger. Very accurate. I even got a case of Finnish ammunition for it. Wish I hadn't shot it up.

    33Luger33Luger10 päivää sitten
    • Mine is a Century import too. No markings other than that.

      33Luger33Luger10 päivää sitten
  • When are you going to disassemble a Luger? A bunch of great Luger videos over the years but you’ve never actually disassembled one and went over the mechanics.

    Luke GerardLuke Gerard10 päivää sitten
  • Gifts from German nazi friends

    Swyer TeamSwyer Team11 päivää sitten
  • looking through the comments i am stunned that i seem to be the only one childish enough to giggle when he is looking at Finnish Lugers and uses the word " reFINNISHED " .. yes, i am just that easily amused.

    MalkavianScreamMalkavianScream11 päivää sitten
  • Love me some Lugers. So much so that I almost disregarded the backdrop... MG42/MG3 is a compelling argument though

    psychoaiko666psychoaiko66611 päivää sitten
  • Wait, numbers sanded off? Curious. Most curious.

    Warren OkumaWarren Okuma11 päivää sitten
  • Ian actualy vankehinhoitoliitto stands for Finnish prison system so that will make the pistol more rare.

    Juho VJuho V11 päivää sitten
  • Looks like the Finns saw those Arisakas with 'mum' markings and thought it looked cool.

    David MorningstarDavid Morningstar11 päivää sitten
  • I agree, been there done that in a weapon adds the mystique

    Anthony BurkeAnthony Burke11 päivää sitten
  • Super cool

    Charles RichardsonCharles Richardson11 päivää sitten
  • I'm amazed that you guys didn't get the joke!

    SteamCraneSteamCrane11 päivää sitten
  • 2:34 What normal people think:german hunter What weebs think: AOT

    Raditya RifkiRaditya Rifki11 päivää sitten
  • Ian: "...also a lot of Arisakas, that's a subject for a latter video..." Me, standing abruptly from the breakfast table slamming my coffee mug: "I need to know now!" Wife, from living room: "What the hell is going on?"

    chstra45chstra4511 päivää sitten
    • @Adam Snider you're supposed to say "spoiler alert."

      chstra45chstra459 päivää sitten
    • The Russo-Japanese war of 1904-1905.

      Adam SniderAdam Snider10 päivää sitten
  • If those two guns could speak.

    Glenn PetterssonGlenn Pettersson11 päivää sitten
  • the Hi-Po has the best adjustment for sights, just do everything opposite of where your rounds end up. Also no safety, first round should be empty casing so you're sure not to accidentally shoot yourself. (it will jam but that's why you double rack).

    Flint GrahamFlint Graham11 päivää sitten
  • It's was a full size is the best carry.yeah for open .how fun it is when you pocket carry and you have the balle on.

    Joey AcostaJoey Acosta11 päivää sitten
  • Ian saying a French gun isn't very good? The Ruby must really not be a good pistol.

    AceInExileAceInExile11 päivää sitten
  • I bought a kit to put together a Luger. It wasn't coming out right. I didn't finnish it. I just tuned in to see what it was supposed to look like.

    onus gumbootonus gumboot11 päivää sitten
  • Finnish lugers? I haven't even started em !

    Derrick JamesonDerrick Jameson11 päivää sitten
  • Bidding on either one ? Both ??

    Pilot SimmsPilot Simms11 päivää sitten
  • The Luger in Finland 68,081 views •1 Apr 2021 So, nobody got it...

    ms4eji0bekms4eji0bek11 päivää sitten
  • I was hoping to hear about the Elbonian Luger. Maybe the next time one of the auction houses has them in stock. Regardless thanks for all the great content. Happy Easter. Steve

    tdrakcetdrakce11 päivää sitten
  • Aaaand thats another luger going on ian's shelf

    MattMatt11 päivää sitten
  • It appears to be a Ma-Duce, a Buzzsaw and a Pig, talk about being amongst your best friends who have your back :)

    Cheap Ole Gun GuyCheap Ole Gun Guy11 päivää sitten
  • Was there some reason why Lugers were known as real blasters, young cannons? Was it because their actions were strong enough to fire the hot SMG ammunition, as you describe here? Also, why not design and build your pistol strongly enough to tolerate a diet of such ammo? Yes it would weigh a little more, but so what, you'd want that mass to soak up the recoil. Are there any pistols which will happily run such ammo?

    nichevo1nichevo111 päivää sitten
  • Was there a Finnish service club for guys that blew up Lugers with hot 9mm loads? Something like a wound stripe, perhaps.

    William KeithWilliam Keith11 päivää sitten
  • An April Fool's video so subtle, only true firearms experts can discern which part of this was fake.

    rr11 päivää sitten
  • such a sucker

    Hans EllisHans Ellis11 päivää sitten
  • I'm a sucker for a Luger at a reasonable price point.. Good luck finding one of those.

    Christian FritzChristian Fritz11 päivää sitten
  • Please do the gas actuated lugers some time.

    RecklessReckless11 päivää sitten
  • "They bought a bunch of submarines that also came with lugers." thats some black humot about handguns being standard equipment on early submarines

    PsychoLucarioPsychoLucario11 päivää sitten
  • Anybody else get the interactive toy ad before I his vid?.......just curious

    Shane SalyersShane Salyers11 päivää sitten
  • Just when you think he's Finnished with the subject...

    The Lone RiderThe Lone Rider11 päivää sitten
  • If these guns could talk, it would be in finish. Thank goodness you can translate some of their story.

    josh j.josh j.11 päivää sitten
  • I sure hope they Finnish lugers. It’s dangerous otherwise.

    Blake BeachamBlake Beacham11 päivää sitten
  • From 12:10 onward, was Ian referring to a "double action Hi-Power"? I'd be very interested in seeing one of those if possible!

    Billy LinBilly Lin11 päivää sitten
    • @JonMacFhearghuis Oh, that one? Maybe. That BDA is pretty much a forgotten weapon in its own right and has not even been featured in Forgotten Weapons yet. I had a feeling that had the people at FN designed the look of a slide of that pistol a little bit differently, it might have had much better reception from the market. And just as all the double-stack, double-action 1911’s didn’t affect the huge demand and popularity of the classic 1911, I don’t think the BDA would have cut too deep into the consumers’ desire to get an original Hi-Power either. Anyway, I’d love to see Ian talk about and take apart an FN BDA 9x19 one day!

      Billy LinBilly Lin8 päivää sitten
    • Presume he means the BDA9.

      JonMacFhearghuisJonMacFhearghuis8 päivää sitten
  • we had one arisaka rifle what was took from russians by my stepfathers relatives🇫🇮

    tatu syrjälätatu syrjälä11 päivää sitten
  • I still cant fathom why anybody would dislike these videos. Is it spite? Do you gate guns that much? I dont understand.

    MrWelshMrWelsh11 päivää sitten
  • I would definitely buy a Luger, they are not only beautiful, but also technically interesting!

    Aidan VaughanAidan Vaughan11 päivää sitten
  • Being German/Finnish would love an original 7.65 Luger! Good info on their history.

    Lyle RaustadtLyle Raustadt11 päivää sitten
  • Quite interesting. I learn so much from these videos. And you do a fine job in detail and relevant facts. Love it! God bless all here.

    comiketigercomiketiger11 päivää sitten
  • Super interesting. Looking forward to the Arisaka video, saw them in the civil war exhibition and wondered.

    YuppiYuppi11 päivää sitten
  • This video confuses me, were the pistols finnished or not?

    Brandon WhitterBrandon Whitter11 päivää sitten
  • The Finnish movie about the Continuation War, "The Unknown Soldier", shows Finnish soldiers carrying Lugers: www.imfdb.org/wiki/The_Unknown_Soldier_(2017)

    AxemanTitanAxemanTitan11 päivää sitten
  • Great 👍 one loved this film Great work

    Fergus YeadonFergus Yeadon11 päivää sitten
  • what is the release that of this video?

    HeiniSauerkrautHeiniSauerkraut11 päivää sitten
  • It's not a bloody civil war if it was started by a group that was directly funded, armed, fed and supported with the troops of the neighboring bolshevik state, now is it?

    JairionJairion11 päivää sitten
    • By your definition, almost no civil war was an actual civil war.

      Random NobodovskyRandom Nobodovsky11 päivää sitten
  • Where is my Elbonian Luger??!!??!!??!!!

    Bimmy FrickerBimmy Fricker11 päivää sitten
  • I like the 7.65 Parabellum Lugers better, because there's so many 9mm guns out there. As far as Collector Value (I'm not a collector, but I wish) like Ian said, Luger experts can be downright insufferable about the details, unless you really care about the details. These aren't "Experts." They really know their stuff, but they can talk your ear off. It's a personal preference thing. Yes, this is the original 9mm, but at this point, any 9mm just isn't that interesting, to me. A bottlenecked 7.65mm? That's a little more interesting, to me.

    PsiberzerkerPsiberzerker11 päivää sitten
  • You mention these guys' long service, the SUOMI KP31 was only officially taken out of "oh shit it's war" warehouses in the 2000's. I know people who got to dump drum after drum of ammo through them during their national service because the army was getting rid of all their old ammo and guns.

    N PN P11 päivää sitten
  • Only Ian could present against a backdrop includeing the 3 most popular mgs lol Ma Duece, Buzzsaw and M60.

    Rafferty1968Rafferty196811 päivää sitten
  • Luger is better than c96

    imgladandrew gillumisnotmykangimgladandrew gillumisnotmykang11 päivää sitten
  • I lean on the side of the history/story of the gun. A pristine example is most likely out of the ordinary person's price range.

    Light WeightLight Weight11 päivää sitten
  • PP-19 would make for a great video.

    DropDrop11 päivää sitten
  • Finnish Defence Forces: Buying cheap surplus weapons from the lowest bidder and still managing to humiliate superpowers since 1918.

    NuunuuNuunuu11 päivää sitten
    • russia should have another go

      warship satinwarship satin5 päivää sitten
  • "Short version - didn't work out." That pretty well summarizes the vast majority of Forgotten Weapons histories.

    EverynameistakenEverynameistaken11 päivää sitten
  • Shoot ability and history

    marshall baldwinmarshall baldwin11 päivää sitten
  • According to some article I read this morning, Finland has the highest prison escape percentage in the EU, at about 10% of all prisoners will escape (and be recaptured). I don't know what prisons were like in the Winter/Continuation War, but in modern times, some of them are open air prisons with integration into local communities where inmates can find work, which makes it easy to escape, but also lowers recidivism and there's not much violent crime to begin with. When I visited the island of Suomenlinna, one section of the island is an active prison, where inmates have to repair parts of the old fort, and another section is the Finnish Navy Officer's school. All this to say, I doubt the one marked with the Prison System markings was used much once it got transferred over.

    shura0107shura010711 päivää sitten
  • BEAUTIFUL VEAPONS

    E VanE Van11 päivää sitten
  • Finally a video that isn't a lame waste of time, April fools joke.

    Joseph ArataJoseph Arata11 päivää sitten
  • Awesome Looking Pistols There! 🤠

    EXNAVYEODEXNAVYEOD11 päivää sitten
  • Finns take the worst fighter of WW2 (Brewster Buffalo) make it into very successful fighter. Finns take worst rifle WW2 (M 1891/30) make it into very successful rifle. Finns take worst pistol of WW2 (M1895) perkele, get me a Luger.

    ChillerChiller11 päivää sitten
  • Question: So many firearms are copied and reproduced. Why does no one make a modern Luger?

    SS KSS K11 päivää sitten
    • Your assumption isn't entirely true, but it's very close to being true. What Alex Moore said plus this: modern firearms (and other things) are almost always designed in a way that makes them easy to manufacture using modern methods (if you need me to elaborate a bit on that, feel free to ask). If you try to make modern Lugers you either 1) change it so much, that it isn't a Luger anymore or; 2) end up with Luger that costs many times more than actual, historical one . There is a guy who makes .45 Lugers (company name: Lugerman) - check his prices.

      Random NobodovskyRandom Nobodovsky11 päivää sitten
    • I think it’s because it’s kinda a complex design compared to most stuff on the market today

      Alex MooreAlex Moore11 päivää sitten
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