Miscellaneous Myths: The Zodiac

27.11.2020
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Thanks to longtime patron Volt for requesting this topic!
We know their names! We know their symbols! We know there's a truly staggering number of websites dedicated to their stereotypical personality traits! But what do we know about their stories? Let's discuss!
FUN FACT I GLOSSED OVER IN THE VIDEO: like I said, it's REALLY hard to determine when these constellations entered Greece. Most people set the date at 300ish, when Eudoxus codified the Greek calendar based on the Babylonian one - but that clashes with the fact that Heracles's labors predate that by at least three centuries, and they've had those zodiacal themes since that lost epic poem was initially written. We know, therefore, that the babylonian zodiac entered greece between Homer's time (when he conspicuously didn't mention them - and neither did Hesiod in his Astronomia) and Peisander's time (author of the lost Heracleia), basically the interval between 800 and 600 CE. The phoenician traders carrying that info is a reasonable assumption, especially considering how important the stars are to sailors navigating at night. But it is WILD to me how hard this is to research and how nobody seems to have really explored the timeline here!
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Kommentteja
  • It might be the goat-fish ophiotaurus (bull-fish)

    Donna LugtuDonna Lugtu29 minuuttia sitten
  • Hi Red So while trying to sleep one night i realised that there had to be myths about Norse constellations. The Norse were used both stars and Sun no navigate the seas with, so there has to be some... And I was right! Some of their constellations are still refered to by their old names by both me, a Dane, and other Scandinavian folk. We aren't really taught anything about the stories behind it and you love writing about Stars so.... it might be fun? And a doubt that there are nearly as many complications with it as the Zodiacs. Probably no time-traveling Goat-fish in it ;)

    Mari201wMari201w8 tuntia sitten
  • Easy, make it NOT a goatfish

    Life SucksLife Sucks11 tuntia sitten
  • I always though capricorn was specifically an ibex with a fishtail. I liked that, it had some homely alpine connection.

    Djed VartanesDjed Vartanes17 tuntia sitten
  • I'm 100% convinced the Time Traveling Goat Man is a new God manifesting itself through the internet. We shall name him Hyperlink - God of Time Travel, Goats, Web Links, Retconning, and Clickbait.

    Shaun SwainShaun Swain21 tunti sitten
    • OHHHH! Clickbait! Hence the fish. And... uh... Goat heel... click-clacking.

      Shaun SwainShaun Swain21 tunti sitten
  • Wait u r a gemini?

    DUJE STJEPANOVIĆDUJE STJEPANOVIĆ21 tunti sitten
  • I'm curious if she's gonna do the chinese zodiac's next

    sidekic1109sidekic110921 tunti sitten
  • I paused this video at 11:33 and I was thinking the gurdle can be link to orions belt? Maybe , I don't know. If she makes the connection later in the vid ill edit my comment.

    Bad BanditBad BanditPäivä sitten
  • Y'all wanna know something cool about Libra? So you know how when you're weighing fruit, or yourself, or doing anything with a scale, the scale always refers to pounds as "Lbs" Now you'd think that when referring to pounds, they'd use something like "Pd" or "Pds" why not? Because Lb is actually short for Libra. And the reason they use Libra when referring to pounds, is because Libra is the *scale* ⚖️

    Amy WildstyleAmy WildstylePäivä sitten
  • To me Pisces look more like a womb.

    Jerome AllshouseJerome AllshousePäivä sitten
  • Babylonian Underworld god named Nurgaal(?): exists WH40k Chaos God Nurgle: Grandpappy?

    TheSchultinatorTheSchultinatorPäivä sitten
  • [ *insert Saint Seiya references here* ]

    Noberto SanchezNoberto SanchezPäivä sitten
  • No talk of Fruits Basket? Shock!

    AlwaysAPirateRonin AceAlwaysAPirateRonin Ace2 päivää sitten
  • I love the building dooming music together with the rant. (Peer Gynt; in the halls of the Mountain King)

    Joel EggertJoel Eggert2 päivää sitten
  • Instructions unclear, I think I may have shot death

    Dragon FruitDragon Fruit2 päivää sitten
  • The horoscope! Holy shit

    Brittany LeggBrittany Legg2 päivää sitten
  • 17:26 This is easy. It's two European swallows and a strand of creeper looking for a coconut to haul. Something something Zeus something Demeter goatfish.

    BuriedFlameBuriedFlame2 päivää sitten
  • the only reason I know all the names of the Zodiac is Fairy Tail.

    Marcus JensonMarcus Jenson2 päivää sitten
  • 9:35b thicc

    jay yujay yu2 päivää sitten
  • The journey music in the background gave me an idea for thatgamecompany: a star themed game!

    Lunar TearsLunar Tears2 päivää sitten
  • imagine if your whole timeline was altered because a fish goat wanted other goats to also be fish goats

    Hannah BoyallHannah Boyall2 päivää sitten
  • Oh boy I hope there's a reference to Hom- *gunshot*

    Kai HallKai Hall3 päivää sitten
  • mhm, goatfish, fun

    TheCynicalHufflepuffTheCynicalHufflepuff3 päivää sitten
  • "The same reason Pokemon told me This was a jelly donut ." Had me laugh so hard and out of nowhere

    Katea JurorsKatea Jurors3 päivää sitten
  • I thought that Scorpio killed Orion that or someone lied to me

    JelloToast VodsJelloToast Vods3 päivää sitten
  • the horoscope at the end was just straight out of night vale

    Audrey WildAudrey Wild3 päivää sitten
  • that horoscope at the end was very Welcome to Night vale

    Lori lLori l3 päivää sitten
  • I LOVE BABY RED WHAT

    HufflePuffleKnightOfRageHufflePuffleKnightOfRage3 päivää sitten
  • Geminis are the ones who don't believe in Horoscopes but always know exactly what the typical traits of Geminis are. Takes one to know one. Just saying ;)

    MissyLaMotteMissyLaMotte3 päivää sitten
  • Do the argonauts

    Michael RauchMichael Rauch3 päivää sitten
  • Capricorn could also be the Ophiotaurus who in Greek mythology was sacrificed by the Titans during the war with the gods and was supposed to give them some sort of power up but the entrails were stolen by an Eagle sent by Zeus

    AureliaAurelia3 päivää sitten
  • 12:50 what is that background song?? I need it for my afternoon walk!!!!

    Chick NortonChick Norton3 päivää sitten
  • So you tellin me that galaxy means Tit? Nice

    Ruben PianegondaRuben Pianegonda3 päivää sitten
    • runs over to my mother "hey mom, i like galaxies" flies into the night

      julesjules3 päivää sitten
  • For some reason, I thought this was going to be about the Zodiac Killer and I was pleasantly surprised with some cool info I will tell all my friends until they're sick of me talking about stars.

    Rach BradleyRach Bradley3 päivää sitten
  • I got an ad for milk after the explanation on the origins of the word galaxy

    Orang VIIOrang VII3 päivää sitten
  • Dammit I don't mean much

    Marissa BonesMarissa Bones3 päivää sitten
  • No one is gonna talk about my boy ophi?

    AerisDragon 03AerisDragon 033 päivää sitten
  • Cancer is depicted as a crab because of the crab that Hera sent to kill Hercules.

    Crystal MaharajCrystal Maharaj3 päivää sitten
  • I know everyone is talking about the goatfish and that rant is legendary, the weird 'shove it where it fits' addaptation by the greeks is fascinating. The match with Heracles is really cool too, a shame we can't match all 12 but clearly Heracles already existed before the zodiac was introduced they just replaced or added some labors. I like the idea Heracles was already connected to the traveling sun and as such probably already had 12 labors with the prevelance of lunar months so some of the less popular stories may have gotten replaced or addapted to fit the constelations, but who knows! (not me...not without any research. I'll just stick to youtube-comment-speculating)

    LitisLitis3 päivää sitten
  • As a Scorpio, all of those dumb astrology girls try their best to avoid me, and for good measure try to warn everyone in the vicinity that I'm a b*tch and also a dangerous psycho who will kill you in an instant when in reality I'm too scared to ask for extra salt for my tater tots at Sonic...

    FangsTheLoserFangsTheLoser4 päivää sitten
  • I don’t know how much I enjoy my star sign being related to Zeus- ha... ha... ha.. **cries**

    -0M3RCY0 --0M3RCY0 -4 päivää sitten
  • Maybe the real time traveling goatfish was the friends we made along the way.

    FrostFlame GamesFrostFlame Games4 päivää sitten
  • Watching you gush over astrology was very entertaining and enjoyable. Thank you.

    Collin DouglasCollin Douglas4 päivää sitten
  • I appreciate that the Red zodiac includes Chekhov's gun

    ChronoChromeChronoChrome4 päivää sitten
  • I can't remember my sources, but I remember Virgo been tied to Astraea, goddess of innocence.

    Alejandro HoyerAlejandro Hoyer4 päivää sitten
  • The procession of the equinoxes is the pseudorandom element from which astrology derives sortition, thereby making it a form of divination.

    brokentowerbrokentower4 päivää sitten
  • I've started watching the goat man rant when I have an anxiety attack. Its very helpful

    Bruh Gimmi those antianxiety medsBruh Gimmi those antianxiety meds4 päivää sitten
  • *I wanna be YOUR cup-bearer daddy Zeus* .. 🥺 .. 👉👈

    Jacob BassJacob Bass4 päivää sitten
  • 15:49 and thats the story of cnn

    Chadwin CuckslayerChadwin Cuckslayer4 päivää sitten
  • 1:06 you miss 100% of the people you do not attempt to stab.

    Chadwin CuckslayerChadwin Cuckslayer5 päivää sitten
  • I take one look at astrology and I start defining myself as every single sign

    russell zhurussell zhu5 päivää sitten
  • ''during the infamous boob incident''-red

    Lucas PenaLucas Pena5 päivää sitten
  • The sign for Pisces kind of looks like a uterus, so I’m not surprised that it’s associated with Aphrodite

    Frank MendezFrank Mendez5 päivää sitten
  • Watching this for a second time since it's release and I coincidentally got an add for a "Zodiac Meaning and birth-to-star-allignement app.''

    King_Of_Gay 5000King_Of_Gay 50005 päivää sitten
  • I'm kind of sad I was hoping for Chinese zodiac. People don't talk about chinese mythology alot.

    Wednesday ApolloWednesday Apollo5 päivää sitten
  • The fact that one of your background songs I use as my alarm both at night and to wake up is extremely disconcerting and I started getting sleepy after it started playing...

    Itsyaboi uh confusedItsyaboi uh confused5 päivää sitten
  • Infamous boob incident...? wha-?

    JAIRAJ LALLARAMNAUTHJAIRAJ LALLARAMNAUTH5 päivää sitten
  • I thought the greek version of Capricorn would be a Hippocampus

    ZentaurAutorZentaurAutor5 päivää sitten
  • "What about that one, Daddy?" "It's late, sweetie. Time for bed?" "WHAT ABOUT THAT ONE, DADDY?!" "Um, I dunno! Two fish? Tied together with a rope?" "Oooooooooh!!"

    IanIan5 päivää sitten
  • If in this modern day of computers and waffles, a time-travelling goat-fish can slip its way into ancient mythology, imagine how crazyeasy it must have been in ancient times (a ten year period of 548-538 bce.) Also, anyone else want a Doctor Who episode where s/he chases a goatfish through time and space?

    IanIan5 päivää sitten
  • You're a Gemini! No wonder you are always right XD

    Cristian B.Cristian B.5 päivää sitten
  • I full on squealed when I heard the song choice for the credits

    a.c. pilara.c. pilar5 päivää sitten
  • Is it just me or do Pisces kind of look like a uterus? And a close connection with Aphrodite/Ishtar.....

    The black goat of the woodsThe black goat of the woods5 päivää sitten
  • Oh wow I just realized the background music at 1:13 is Samba De Verao

    Alejandro OrtizAlejandro Ortiz5 päivää sitten
    • Aka summer samba

      Alejandro OrtizAlejandro Ortiz5 päivää sitten
  • Pricus the Time-Traveling Goatfish is the “Mespyrian: Goddess of Torture and Punishment” of astrology bloggers.

    EnharmonicsEnharmonics5 päivää sitten
  • red is a light player confirmed

    Michael OrdaneMichael Ordane5 päivää sitten
  • Coyotes in the Midwest?

    Rachel DeRosierRachel DeRosier5 päivää sitten
  • Nobody: Not a single person: Absolutely no one ever: Homestucks: so Capricorn being a goat fish that can mess with time, becomes a parent whose children go on land then become stupid, who can’t be killed/is immortal and whose canon is generally vague mysterious or flat out doesn’t make sense because ‘fuck it sure why not’...yeah it checks out

    Hallow DarknessHallow Darkness5 päivää sitten
    • I hate that I relate to this.

      Deep Fried Doctor OctopusDeep Fried Doctor OctopusPäivä sitten
  • The 7 stars at the start reminds me of the 7 sister of matariki. A maori/ new Zealand myth that we celebrate as a holiday here!

    pickleBoi 2000pickleBoi 20005 päivää sitten
  • I really have to appreciate the circular camera angle action

    Marshall NethersMarshall Nethers6 päivää sitten
  • Aquarius went from Water God, to Bottom Boi 😂

    sorakairi1993sorakairi19936 päivää sitten
    • Bottomless boi

      Nunya BiznesNunya Biznes5 päivää sitten
  • I kinda think pisces looks like a set of ovaries and fallopian tubes. Kind of a stretch, but that's just what came to mind.

    Mary LowrieMary Lowrie6 päivää sitten
  • The horoscope screamed Welcome To Nightvale vibes

    Oliver ParkerOliver Parker6 päivää sitten
  • I'm pretty sure there's a goat fish in Percy Jackson but that's not a trusted resource ether.

    Vittoria MacKinnonVittoria MacKinnon6 päivää sitten
  • time goat TIME GOAT

    DocSeaMonsterDocSeaMonster6 päivää sitten
  • Why did that final horoscope sound like welcome to night vale's narration?

    scifinatic Tizzscifinatic Tizz6 päivää sitten
  • clearly the time-travelling goatfish tried to erase itself from history, and just missed one last internet post, which all new articles are now forced to reference

    Hekate noneHekate none6 päivää sitten
  • When you realise theres witcher music playing in the background

    Ben RuddleBen Ruddle6 päivää sitten
  • There is no goat-man, only more astrology websites.

    Cacodemon pogCacodemon pog6 päivää sitten
  • Here's your original source for Capricorn: Me. I'm a time-traveling goat-god, and all my children walked on land and got stupid...

    Ace theSuperVillainAce theSuperVillain6 päivää sitten
  • “Wow that’s such a Gemini thing to say” “I will cut you”

    RachelRachel6 päivää sitten
  • i got left out in the snow so we both got left out

    G.S. HarringtonG.S. Harrington6 päivää sitten
  • What if the goatfish traveled time with the help of a mYsteRioUs cOloR UnLiKe any sEEn oN EaRth

    blacksageblacksage6 päivää sitten
  • the fact that ive always really liked the underworld stories in greek mythology and my sign is gemini

    ThiccBoiBrunoThiccBoiBruno6 päivää sitten
  • Red is a space player

    Manager_AXManager_AX6 päivää sitten
  • I can tell you drew over the constellations cause it doesn’t look like generic trash

    Office KetchupOffice Ketchup6 päivää sitten
  • I seem to remember that someone once told me that Capricorn is the shape that Pan took during the rampaging of Typhon. I don't have any sources, but it sounds more plausible than time traveling goatfish. But if that's true, then it maybe makes sense that Pan is part of the rescue of Zeus in the story of Typhon?

    Laurids BrogaardLaurids Brogaard6 päivää sitten
    • Pseudo-Hyginus, Astronomica 2. 28 : "Egyptian priests and some poets say that once when many gods had assembled in Egypt, suddenly Typhon, an exceedingly fierce monster and deadly enemy of the gods, came to that place. Terrified by him, they changed their shapes into other forms: Mercurius [Hermes] became an ibis, Apollo [Apollon], the bird that is called Thracian, Diana [Artemis], a cat. For this reason they say the Egyptians do not permit these creatures to be injured, because they are called representations of gods. At this same time, they say, Pan cast himself into the river, making the lower part of his body a fish, and the rest a goat, and thus escaped from Typhon."

      Laurids BrogaardLaurids Brogaard6 päivää sitten
  • @15:05 The capricorn thing bro let me tell ya. Dude the thing is I struggled with this story as well. And it's SUPER sad. Basically he was friends with Hades because he was like a titan but lower (like a smart pet or something idk) and therefore higher than a god but also not.... and his mom wet nursed Zeus (or Zeus was his brother) so when he visited the wish master being thing on top of a mountain and asked for time travel he was trying to stop his kids from being stupid but then when that didn't work, he went to Hades to wish for death, but Hades was like "heeeeeelll no, you're Zeuses half-fish brother I cant kill you. Go back to see the time wizard and wish to be a star to you can stay immortal but leave the physical plain" and he did and yeah idk it's not a great story because he leave his mermaid lover behind and really like it's a great story but it's definitely new

    Ria RoseRia Rose6 päivää sitten
  • Rice cake to donut connection due to Pokemon... I felt that...

    KrothopisKrothopis6 päivää sitten
  • Anyone know what the name of the background music is that starts at 12:49? Sounds kinda like the Witcher almost

    soapdish124soapdish1247 päivää sitten
  • the girdle of Hippolyta could be Orion's belt in a way???

    Katya IvanovaKatya Ivanova7 päivää sitten
  • Virgo is somewhat connected to the myth of Hercules. Virgo is depicted as a woman and Hercules has to obtain a belt from the queen of the Amazons.

    Jessica DecuirJessica Decuir7 päivää sitten
  • Astrology is about the planets and the ARCHETYPES represented by the constellations of the of the sign, the ancient were not dumb they knew it was gonna change, that's why you have a sign "ruled" by planets, the same planets which hold importance during a specific time of year and the way you read that has changed over time except the symbols.... I get so mad when people don't reaserch what astrology is about but then try to speak on it

    Maria Giulia RodriguezMaria Giulia Rodriguez7 päivää sitten
  • Okay, so was I the only one who saw ovaries in the Pisces image when she was trying to explain them? I mean, the shape and stuff... Kinda made me think it was supposed to represent maybe ovaries and fallopian tubes coming together at the uterus so maybe reproduction? Idk. Just bugged me when she was going over it. Makes about as much sense as two fish tied together.

    Whisper WindWhisper Wind7 päivää sitten
  • Every time someone asks me what my sign is, I tell them I don’t believe in astrology. That doesn’t work. They persist and I have to tell them what my sign is. They tell me what my sign means and I tell them I DON’T CARE!!

    The BatmanThe Batman7 päivää sitten
  • Ok but little Red looks so adorable

    GirlsDarkImaginationGirlsDarkImagination8 päivää sitten
  • Let's be honest. A lot of us are here for eight/nine-year-old Red.

    Charlie FarmerCharlie Farmer8 päivää sitten
  • The only thing I can make out in the stars is the Big Dipper. XD

    Justin ThomasJustin Thomas8 päivää sitten
  • Coming this summer one mans journey to the underworld because he is super dead lol red should make that a poster it could be like a movie poster

    Paul OltmanPaul Oltman9 päivää sitten
  • I mean pices damn Google auto correct

    Paul OltmanPaul Oltman9 päivää sitten
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