Miscellaneous Myths: The Zodiac
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We know their names! We know their symbols! We know there's a truly staggering number of websites dedicated to their stereotypical personality traits! But what do we know about their stories? Let's discuss!
FUN FACT I GLOSSED OVER IN THE VIDEO: like I said, it's REALLY hard to determine when these constellations entered Greece. Most people set the date at 300ish, when Eudoxus codified the Greek calendar based on the Babylonian one - but that clashes with the fact that Heracles's labors predate that by at least three centuries, and they've had those zodiacal themes since that lost epic poem was initially written. We know, therefore, that the babylonian zodiac entered greece between Homer's time (when he conspicuously didn't mention them - and neither did Hesiod in his Astronomia) and Peisander's time (author of the lost Heracleia), basically the interval between 800 and 600 CE. The phoenician traders carrying that info is a reasonable assumption, especially considering how important the stars are to sailors navigating at night. But it is WILD to me how hard this is to research and how nobody seems to have really explored the timeline here!
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It might be the goat-fish ophiotaurus (bull-fish)
Hi Red So while trying to sleep one night i realised that there had to be myths about Norse constellations. The Norse were used both stars and Sun no navigate the seas with, so there has to be some... And I was right! Some of their constellations are still refered to by their old names by both me, a Dane, and other Scandinavian folk. We aren't really taught anything about the stories behind it and you love writing about Stars so.... it might be fun? And a doubt that there are nearly as many complications with it as the Zodiacs. Probably no time-traveling Goat-fish in it ;)
Easy, make it NOT a goatfish
I always though capricorn was specifically an ibex with a fishtail. I liked that, it had some homely alpine connection.
I'm 100% convinced the Time Traveling Goat Man is a new God manifesting itself through the internet. We shall name him Hyperlink - God of Time Travel, Goats, Web Links, Retconning, and Clickbait.
OHHHH! Clickbait! Hence the fish. And... uh... Goat heel... click-clacking.
Wait u r a gemini?
I'm curious if she's gonna do the chinese zodiac's next
I paused this video at 11:33 and I was thinking the gurdle can be link to orions belt? Maybe , I don't know. If she makes the connection later in the vid ill edit my comment.
Y'all wanna know something cool about Libra? So you know how when you're weighing fruit, or yourself, or doing anything with a scale, the scale always refers to pounds as "Lbs" Now you'd think that when referring to pounds, they'd use something like "Pd" or "Pds" why not? Because Lb is actually short for Libra. And the reason they use Libra when referring to pounds, is because Libra is the *scale* ⚖️
To me Pisces look more like a womb.
Babylonian Underworld god named Nurgaal(?): exists WH40k Chaos God Nurgle: Grandpappy?
[ *insert Saint Seiya references here* ]
No talk of Fruits Basket? Shock!
I love the building dooming music together with the rant. (Peer Gynt; in the halls of the Mountain King)
Instructions unclear, I think I may have shot death
The horoscope! Holy shit
17:26 This is easy. It's two European swallows and a strand of creeper looking for a coconut to haul. Something something Zeus something Demeter goatfish.
the only reason I know all the names of the Zodiac is Fairy Tail.
9:35b thicc
The journey music in the background gave me an idea for thatgamecompany: a star themed game!
imagine if your whole timeline was altered because a fish goat wanted other goats to also be fish goats
Oh boy I hope there's a reference to Hom- *gunshot*
mhm, goatfish, fun
"The same reason Pokemon told me This was a jelly donut ." Had me laugh so hard and out of nowhere
I thought that Scorpio killed Orion that or someone lied to me
the horoscope at the end was just straight out of night vale
that horoscope at the end was very Welcome to Night vale
I LOVE BABY RED WHAT
Geminis are the ones who don't believe in Horoscopes but always know exactly what the typical traits of Geminis are. Takes one to know one. Just saying ;)
Do the argonauts
Capricorn could also be the Ophiotaurus who in Greek mythology was sacrificed by the Titans during the war with the gods and was supposed to give them some sort of power up but the entrails were stolen by an Eagle sent by Zeus
12:50 what is that background song?? I need it for my afternoon walk!!!!
So you tellin me that galaxy means Tit? Nice
runs over to my mother "hey mom, i like galaxies" flies into the night
For some reason, I thought this was going to be about the Zodiac Killer and I was pleasantly surprised with some cool info I will tell all my friends until they're sick of me talking about stars.
I got an ad for milk after the explanation on the origins of the word galaxy
Dammit I don't mean much
No one is gonna talk about my boy ophi?
Cancer is depicted as a crab because of the crab that Hera sent to kill Hercules.
I know everyone is talking about the goatfish and that rant is legendary, the weird 'shove it where it fits' addaptation by the greeks is fascinating. The match with Heracles is really cool too, a shame we can't match all 12 but clearly Heracles already existed before the zodiac was introduced they just replaced or added some labors. I like the idea Heracles was already connected to the traveling sun and as such probably already had 12 labors with the prevelance of lunar months so some of the less popular stories may have gotten replaced or addapted to fit the constelations, but who knows! (not me...not without any research. I'll just stick to youtube-comment-speculating)
As a Scorpio, all of those dumb astrology girls try their best to avoid me, and for good measure try to warn everyone in the vicinity that I'm a b*tch and also a dangerous psycho who will kill you in an instant when in reality I'm too scared to ask for extra salt for my tater tots at Sonic...
I don’t know how much I enjoy my star sign being related to Zeus- ha... ha... ha.. **cries**
Maybe the real time traveling goatfish was the friends we made along the way.
Watching you gush over astrology was very entertaining and enjoyable. Thank you.
I appreciate that the Red zodiac includes Chekhov's gun
I can't remember my sources, but I remember Virgo been tied to Astraea, goddess of innocence.
The procession of the equinoxes is the pseudorandom element from which astrology derives sortition, thereby making it a form of divination.
I've started watching the goat man rant when I have an anxiety attack. Its very helpful
*I wanna be YOUR cup-bearer daddy Zeus* .. 🥺 .. 👉👈
15:49 and thats the story of cnn
1:06 you miss 100% of the people you do not attempt to stab.
I take one look at astrology and I start defining myself as every single sign
''during the infamous boob incident''-red
The sign for Pisces kind of looks like a uterus, so I’m not surprised that it’s associated with Aphrodite
Watching this for a second time since it's release and I coincidentally got an add for a "Zodiac Meaning and birth-to-star-allignement app.''
I'm kind of sad I was hoping for Chinese zodiac. People don't talk about chinese mythology alot.
The fact that one of your background songs I use as my alarm both at night and to wake up is extremely disconcerting and I started getting sleepy after it started playing...
Infamous boob incident...? wha-?
I thought the greek version of Capricorn would be a Hippocampus
"What about that one, Daddy?" "It's late, sweetie. Time for bed?" "WHAT ABOUT THAT ONE, DADDY?!" "Um, I dunno! Two fish? Tied together with a rope?" "Oooooooooh!!"
If in this modern day of computers and waffles, a time-travelling goat-fish can slip its way into ancient mythology, imagine how crazyeasy it must have been in ancient times (a ten year period of 548-538 bce.) Also, anyone else want a Doctor Who episode where s/he chases a goatfish through time and space?
You're a Gemini! No wonder you are always right XD
I full on squealed when I heard the song choice for the credits
Is it just me or do Pisces kind of look like a uterus? And a close connection with Aphrodite/Ishtar.....
Oh wow I just realized the background music at 1:13 is Samba De Verao
Aka summer samba
Pricus the Time-Traveling Goatfish is the “Mespyrian: Goddess of Torture and Punishment” of astrology bloggers.
red is a light player confirmed
Coyotes in the Midwest?
Nobody: Not a single person: Absolutely no one ever: Homestucks: so Capricorn being a goat fish that can mess with time, becomes a parent whose children go on land then become stupid, who can’t be killed/is immortal and whose canon is generally vague mysterious or flat out doesn’t make sense because ‘fuck it sure why not’...yeah it checks out
I hate that I relate to this.
The 7 stars at the start reminds me of the 7 sister of matariki. A maori/ new Zealand myth that we celebrate as a holiday here!
I really have to appreciate the circular camera angle action
Aquarius went from Water God, to Bottom Boi 😂
Bottomless boi
I kinda think pisces looks like a set of ovaries and fallopian tubes. Kind of a stretch, but that's just what came to mind.
The horoscope screamed Welcome To Nightvale vibes
I'm pretty sure there's a goat fish in Percy Jackson but that's not a trusted resource ether.
time goat TIME GOAT
Why did that final horoscope sound like welcome to night vale's narration?
clearly the time-travelling goatfish tried to erase itself from history, and just missed one last internet post, which all new articles are now forced to reference
When you realise theres witcher music playing in the background
There is no goat-man, only more astrology websites.
Here's your original source for Capricorn: Me. I'm a time-traveling goat-god, and all my children walked on land and got stupid...
“Wow that’s such a Gemini thing to say” “I will cut you”
i got left out in the snow so we both got left out
What if the goatfish traveled time with the help of a mYsteRioUs cOloR UnLiKe any sEEn oN EaRth
the fact that ive always really liked the underworld stories in greek mythology and my sign is gemini
Red is a space player
I can tell you drew over the constellations cause it doesn’t look like generic trash
I seem to remember that someone once told me that Capricorn is the shape that Pan took during the rampaging of Typhon. I don't have any sources, but it sounds more plausible than time traveling goatfish. But if that's true, then it maybe makes sense that Pan is part of the rescue of Zeus in the story of Typhon?
Pseudo-Hyginus, Astronomica 2. 28 : "Egyptian priests and some poets say that once when many gods had assembled in Egypt, suddenly Typhon, an exceedingly fierce monster and deadly enemy of the gods, came to that place. Terrified by him, they changed their shapes into other forms: Mercurius [Hermes] became an ibis, Apollo [Apollon], the bird that is called Thracian, Diana [Artemis], a cat. For this reason they say the Egyptians do not permit these creatures to be injured, because they are called representations of gods. At this same time, they say, Pan cast himself into the river, making the lower part of his body a fish, and the rest a goat, and thus escaped from Typhon."
@15:05 The capricorn thing bro let me tell ya. Dude the thing is I struggled with this story as well. And it's SUPER sad. Basically he was friends with Hades because he was like a titan but lower (like a smart pet or something idk) and therefore higher than a god but also not.... and his mom wet nursed Zeus (or Zeus was his brother) so when he visited the wish master being thing on top of a mountain and asked for time travel he was trying to stop his kids from being stupid but then when that didn't work, he went to Hades to wish for death, but Hades was like "heeeeeelll no, you're Zeuses half-fish brother I cant kill you. Go back to see the time wizard and wish to be a star to you can stay immortal but leave the physical plain" and he did and yeah idk it's not a great story because he leave his mermaid lover behind and really like it's a great story but it's definitely new
Rice cake to donut connection due to Pokemon... I felt that...
Anyone know what the name of the background music is that starts at 12:49? Sounds kinda like the Witcher almost
the girdle of Hippolyta could be Orion's belt in a way???
Virgo is somewhat connected to the myth of Hercules. Virgo is depicted as a woman and Hercules has to obtain a belt from the queen of the Amazons.
Astrology is about the planets and the ARCHETYPES represented by the constellations of the of the sign, the ancient were not dumb they knew it was gonna change, that's why you have a sign "ruled" by planets, the same planets which hold importance during a specific time of year and the way you read that has changed over time except the symbols.... I get so mad when people don't reaserch what astrology is about but then try to speak on it
Okay, so was I the only one who saw ovaries in the Pisces image when she was trying to explain them? I mean, the shape and stuff... Kinda made me think it was supposed to represent maybe ovaries and fallopian tubes coming together at the uterus so maybe reproduction? Idk. Just bugged me when she was going over it. Makes about as much sense as two fish tied together.
Every time someone asks me what my sign is, I tell them I don’t believe in astrology. That doesn’t work. They persist and I have to tell them what my sign is. They tell me what my sign means and I tell them I DON’T CARE!!
Ok but little Red looks so adorable
Let's be honest. A lot of us are here for eight/nine-year-old Red.
The only thing I can make out in the stars is the Big Dipper. XD
Coming this summer one mans journey to the underworld because he is super dead lol red should make that a poster it could be like a movie poster
I mean pices damn Google auto correct